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Msg  2961 of 44300  at  12/23/2006 12:50:04 PM  by

ScipioAfricanus


Journalists and the lying liars who lie about them

I've already demonstrated how ASM used selection bias to create a completely bogus picture of the Amazon reviews.

http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/Selection_Bias

Since the whole OverStalk campaign is based on the premise that Weiss = Mantanmoreland, I decided to look into what was left out. (Confession: I'm embarrassed it took me so long to actually do this...but good (evil?) PR people realize MOST people won't EVER)

The devil is in the details as any good "strategic messenger" knows. The whole case seems to be built on the facts that Mantanmoreland created the Weiss article and he is obviously from New York. This would be outstanding evidence if the NYC population was 1. I've heard rumours it could be more than that, but some people are prone to exaggeration.

Now let's just look at a TINY subset of the evidence that contradicts the premise.

Mantanmoreland attended Fordahm which is a Jesuit university. For those who may not know, a Jesuit is "a Christian religious order of the Roman Catholic Church in direct service to the Pope".

http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=2&oi=define&q=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesuit&usg=__gvIovCH0ZYXJ2HQuljrxlqMH5wk=

He created the List of Notable Fordham University Alumni.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Notable_Fordham_University_Alumni

Weiss attended CCNY and Northwestern.

Mantanmoreland has created 15 biographies on Wikipedia. Yet no one is accusing him of being any of the other 14.

How likely do you think this is the work of Gary Weiss? (For those who think it's likely, please IM me...I want to sell you some stuff)

Now you should know why it takes MONTHS for ASM to come up with all this stuff. It takes a lot of editing to select the exact tidbits you need to push a bogus agenda. It took me no more than an hour to track down the truth and simply post it.

Jesuit/Catholic people of note
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Reverend Fr. John M. Corridan (1911-1984) was a Jesuit priest who fought against corruption and organized crime on the New

York City waterfront. He was the inspiration for the character of "Father Barry" in the classic film On the Waterfront.

Monsignor John Maria Oesterreicher (February 2, 1904 April 18, 1993) was a Roman Catholic theologian and a leading advocate of Jewish-Catholic reconciliation.

Rev. Joseph A. O'Hare (1931-) is a Jesuit priest, New York City civic leader and editor. He was a longtime president of Fordham University and, for a brief period, President of Regis High School, a New York City Jesuit High School.


TV/Movies - old timey stuff
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Paul Burke (born July 21, 1926) is an American actor mainly known for his lead roles in the television series Naked City and Twelve O'Clock High, in which he played Col. Joe Gallagher

Don Taylor (December 13, 1920 December 29, 1998) was an American movie actor and director best known for his performances

in 1950s movies and the 1948 film noir The Naked City.

Jack Garfein, born July 2, 1930 in Mukacevo, Carpathian Ruthenia, Czechoslovakia (now Mukacheve, Ukraine), is an acting teacher and former motion picture and theater director.


Misc. Journalism
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Ethan Bronner is deputy foreign editor of the New York Times, and a frequent essayist on foreign affairs.


Investigative journalists/investigators
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Avery Corman is an American novelist and screenwriter. He is best known as author of the novel Kramer vs. Kramer, which was

adapted into a 1979 movie starring Dustin Hoffman, and Oh God!, which became a 1977 movie starring George Burns. Richard Price (born October 12, 1949 in the Bronx, New York) is an American novelist and screenwriter.

Eddie Egan (January 3, 1930 November 4, 1995) was a New York City Police Department detective whose exploits were the subject of a book and movie, both entitled The French Connection.

Malcolm Johnson (September 24, 1904 June 18, 1976) was a noted investigative journalist of the 1940s and 1950s. His 24-part series in the New York Sun, Crime on the Waterfront, won the Pulitzer Prize for Local Reporting in 1949.

Burton B. Turkus, (1902-November 22, 1982), was an attorney and author, best known for prosecuting members of the Brooklyn gang known as "Murder, Inc."

Gary Weiss is an investigative journalist and author of two books that critically examine the ethics and morality of Wall Street.

Cornelius Willemse was a New York City policeman and detective from the 1900 to 1925. He was the author of two memoirs,

"Behind the Green Lights" and "A Cop Remembers."

Sonny Grosso is a movie and television producer and former New York City Police Department detective, noted for his role in the case immortalized in the book and movie versions of The French Connection.


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